Helena Gardner
Welcome to Here’s the Story, a show that brings Student Affairs to life by sharing the authentic voices and lived experience of those who are shaping the field every day as part of the Student Affairs now family, we’re dedicated to serving and furthering the people who walk the walk, talk the talk, and carry the rock that all of us who find ourselves serving students in in their education, in student affairs and higher education. You can find us at studentaffairsnow.com, or directly at studentaffairsnow.com/heresthestory, or on YouTube and anywhere you enjoy podcast, we like to thank today’s sponsor here on Huron, education and research experts hope institutions transform their strategy, operations, technology and culture to foster innovation, financial health and student success. I’m your host, Helena Gardner, my pronouns are she, her, hers, and I serve as director of residence, education and housing services at Michigan State University. I live my life as a mom, a sister, a daughter, a friend and a mentor. I’m with you today from the ancestral, traditional and contemporary lands of the Anishinabe three fires, Confederate of Ojibwa, Ottawa and Potawatomi people. The University resides on land seated in the 1819, treaty of Saginaw, home to Michigan State University. And I’m here with my co host.

Neil E. Golemo
hi. My name is Neil Golemo. I use the he, him, series of pronouns, and I am blessed to serve as the Director of Campus living learning here on Texas A and M, the Galveston campus, and I’m actually out here on Pelican Island, an island off an island, and I’m so happy to be here.

Helena Gardner
Hey. Well, now today, I’ve got a good, good, good, good storyteller for us, and I want to introduce to our viewers, Stephanie Carter Atkins. Stephanie is here to tell us a story. Stephanie tell us a little bit about yourself.

Stephanie K. Carter-Atkins
Oh man, I’m just trying to live up to the hype of that great introduction. So thank you for that. Um, hello everybody. I’m Stephanie Carter Atkins. I’m the Executive Director of Residence Life and Housing at Wake Forest University and beautiful because it’s a little bit. Me outside. But nonetheless, Winston Salem North Carolina, super excited to be here. I have been in the field professionally since I got my masters in 2002 please don’t fact check the dates and all the great things and try to figure out how old I am. Because I’m like, I don’t know, 24 or something. We’ll see. Um, but I’ve been doing this field, mostly. I’ve been doing this work, mostly in residence, Life and Housing kind of work my way up. I came to Wake in 2017 as a Director of Residence Life, and last April, was promoted into the executive director role. So I’m excited. Yeah, right. Thanks. I’m excited to continue the great work that we have going on here on campus, and influence and impact the student experience in the way that we get to do obviously, on my level, that’s mostly through the staff that I get to have a chance to work with and all the great things we get to do. So I love it, and awake has been a great place to me, so I’m thankful for that. So yeah, thank you. Alright, let’s talk about the story, right? Okay, let’s see how this goes. So I really did rack my brain to kind of think about it, and I mentioned before, kind of backstage, that I listened to the first two podcasts because I want to have some idea of what this truly look like, and just some idea like how I should come across. And I’m like, man, they sounded really great with their stories, um, and I’m going to do my very best. So, oh, I think you got it. Listen. I hope so. My story is going to talk about burpees, which, you know, for people who might know me, professionally, personally, all those things, I will talk a lot about burpees. So we’re going to see how this goes. So I say that because, as I said, I’ve been in this field for quite some time, and professionally, probably I started CrossFit in 2015 but before that, I was a single mom, so my son is 14 right now, and he’s been with me, right all 14 years earlier on in my career, I did, like a lot of us, I wasn’t very I didn’t really have a healthy lifestyle. I wasn’t really doing the things I needed to do, because we work all the time, right? Like this job can be 24/7, 365, whether you’re on call or not, there’s something probably always happening. And depending on the role that you play, there’s someone may call you, you may have to respond to things, whatever that looks like. So the work just never seemed to stop to me. What that ended up turning into was I picked up a lot of bad habits along the way. I wasn’t eating right, wasn’t taking care of myself, I wasn’t I wasn’t resting. I still have struggles with that. I’ll be honest with you, I just wasn’t doing it. Um, never really thought about it, because it was just the grind and growing up in residence, life in the way that I did, like you. I mean, back then with back when we had pagers, hello, you know, you get the pager went off, you had to respond right, or everything else, right? If you missed a page it was like, Oh my gosh. Like, like, is that my job? Like, there was such real fears about some things back in the day that I just never it just was what it was, right? Like it, it’s probably a slight case of PTSD to some extent, because that is just how we had to work. So I picked up a lot of bad habits along the way that had just become life. And I think after having my son, it didn’t help right along the way, because right when he was in, when he was in daycare, or even when he was in kindergarten and stuff. And doing after school, like I would literally work until six, seven o’clock, up until the point when I had to go pick him up, basically because they were shutting the place down. I would go home, eat whatever you could really quick, do the mom thing we needed to do, get the kid in the bed and essentially be back at work right on my computer, or just responding to things. And let me tell you what, that does not breed itself to a healthy lifestyle. So I think at some point I I finally hit the wall, you know, and I was just like, This is not okay. Like, I’m not taking care of myself. And where we were living at the time, in the state of Georgia, I was not around family, so like, once again, it was just me and the kid trying to figure life out together. Happened to one day find a Groupon like I was living in a small place called Carrollton Georgia, shout out to Carrollton Georgia, University of West Georgia. At the time, I found a group on for some CrossFit classes. And I was just like, I don’t, I don’t know anything about this life. I don’t know. I talked to a lot of people like on campus, and they were like, you could get hurt doing that. And I was like, Well, I think people can get I mean, I mean, you can get hurt doing anything at some point, you know, if you don’t do it, right? But I was like, I kind of have to take a chance, so I’m thankful that I did. I showed up at the gym, and I think the thing that sold me at the time is they had a space for kids, so my son could be, like, in a little area for him to kind of hang out while I worked out. And to me, I didn’t have any other excuses. Like there was no excuse to say, well, I can’t do this, or I can’t do that. And I think the thing that it helped me realize is that class was at 530 you know, I had to be able to get my kid to where I was going, and, you know, I had to be able to pick him up, get there. So I had to take a break from work, truly, like I had to cut things off. So for me, as I said, it would, it was a natural break that had to come, because I finally decided to take care of myself in the midst of this. So it was truly what I needed, right? And as I said, I still struggle with we gotta sleep and do all the things that come with it, but I at least was trying to put my health in a place that was a little bit better. So fast forward, ish, I guess. Somewhat today, like I still do CrossFit. I have a great gym here in Winston Salem which I’m thankful for. And, you know, my son comes every now and then, not anymore. Now he’s like, I got other things to do in my life. But before I left the state of Georgia, because I came, as I said, I came here in February 2017 before I left there, and had been doing CrossFit for a couple of years, burpees was a movement that I, like, totally hated, right? I don’t know if you’ve ever done a burpee no movie, oh, my goodness, it is a it is a thing, right? If you’ve ever done it, it just it. I don’t know, right? I mean, it’s functional, because, yes, when you fall down, you gotta be able to pick yourself up. Absolutely. It serves its purpose, right? Let’s think about it that way, right?

Neil E. Golemo
So obviously, I know what a burpee is, yeah? So, but for those, for our listener out there, yeah, what is a burpee? Yeah,

Stephanie K. Carter-Atkins
right. So truly, it is a lot of movements in one so it’s it’s a push up, it’s a squat, it’s all the things. But in essence, when you were kind of hovering over the ground with your hand, you kind of put your hands down, you kick your feet back, and you lay flat on the ground. Then you are pushing yourself up and then basically bringing your feet under you into a squat position. Get up, clap and stuff. Look at I made it, yay. I clap over my head. And no, I do it all the time. And you do it if you’re doing a cross fit, you basically do it over and over again, because nobody ever programs just one burpee in a workout. That’s not how. But I hated the movement so much. Like, because once again, like, who just wants to be on the ground and have to get all of you regardless of how much you weigh, it doesn’t matter your body weight. You still gotta pick all that up and do it multiple times. It is very taxing on you. So before I left the state of Georgia, the gym there, at the time, had started doing 100 days of burpees. And I was like, Man, that is okay, it’s pretty intense. So truly, what it is for the first 100 days of this year, you do a burpee every day. So day one, you do one, day 10, you do 10. Day 50, you know, when you get to day 100 you do 100 of them. So by the time the the totality of it is done, you’ve done 5050 burpees. Like, it’s a lot right to think about, because the early days, it’s amazing, yay. Like, one and two and three. Like, everybody can knock that out. You can you can fall down, you can get back up. So I moved to North Carolina in the midst of doing 100 days of burpees and kind of pick things up at the gym that I was at. And I’m, I think that first year, I didn’t really think much about it, but I was like, Okay, I need to keep doing this. So I’ve been doing it, truly ever since 2017 I start out the year and do it today is day 69 of the year. You didn’t know I did 69 burpees this morning, but the, yeah, right, yeah, it is ridiculous. Um, the on purpose? Yeah, absolutely on purpose. And in my living room and like it doesn’t make it any better, like it doesn’t matter, doing it like it doesn’t make it any better. Every morning, it’s a new, fresh morning. I’m trying to talk myself into doing burpees, but along the journey of doing them, fast forward to 2019, I was asked to do a sprint session at what is now, what was, what is campus, home, live now. But was ace, you know, cool, I, um, the annual convention. I was asked to do a sprint session. And I was like, Oh my gosh. I don’t know that. They were just like, talk about what you want to talk about. So I was talking a little bit about leadership and legacy and all those things. And I was just like, You know what I should talk about, burpees. Because, who doesn’t? Because that’s what I talk about. And one of the lines that I put in that speech was like, don’t be a burpee in someone’s professional journey. And you know, it’s a it’s one of those Pecha Kucha, I’m gonna be saying it wrong. So it’s pretty quick, right? So in that quick time, I had to be able to tell people what that actually means, and I always equate it to, if you’ve ever done a burpee, like, typically, like someone’s face will either frown up, or they will have a visceral reaction because they don’t want to do it, because, once again, it is not the most fun thing to do. It seems simple, but it is very taxing after a while. So when I brought it up in my speech, it was like, Don’t be that way, right? Don’t be that type of supervisor or that type of leader that when someone mentions your name, when they say Helena, or when they say Neil, like that, they frown up in that way that someone gives you, that reaction they give when they have to, when they’re told to do burpees like Don’t be it. And to me, it was one of those conversations of we don’t ever talk enough about supervision and leadership in our field. Yet, lots of us sit in seats in which we have a lot of power and authority, right? We work with folks, we we lead departments, or we lead units, or whatever the case may be, and sometimes we don’t think about the impact that we have on other people’s lives, because we just can’t stop and think about it. Because there’s a million other things going on. HR is calling about something. There’s a flood somewhere. There’s like all these things are happening in our day to day lives, but we don’t spend enough time thinking about who we are as leaders. And I just want people to spend more time thinking about that. So to me, like I was able to take a little bit of my CrossFit journey and think about it from a leadership and legacy lens. And like, when you leave a place, like, what is the legacy that you are leaving in this word? And as I said, I don’t want people to. Think about when they say my name, like, oh God, like to frown up, and what that looks like. So to me, that has been a huge part of it, right? So something that started out is, once again, a movement that I did not like, still don’t like. Don’t matter whether, when they keep doing it down the road, it is not going to get any better. But every morning, I have a chance to think about one how much they don’t feel good, and how I just need to continue to think about how I one show up, and two, are able to kind of tie all of this stuff in together. To me like it is always on my mind, at least for sure, at least for the first 100 days. But it is but me, thinking about myself as a leader and how I show up is always on my mind because I don’t I want to impact people in the right way, so I think about that as a, as a as a burpee. And you know, I did a presentation at CEO we just had our conference a couple weeks ago, and the presentation I did was, do you suck as a supervisor? Once again, as I explained to folks, I actually want people to think about who they are, as leaders, who they are as supervisors, not be a burpee. Think about the way that they are showing up, the impact that they’re having on their teams. Like, we need to be able to talk about these conversations and in an intelligent way, because who teaches us how to supervise? Mostly, you might have had a good one. Maybe you had a bad one. You don’t want to be like that person, but, like, we just don’t spend enough time talking about it.

Helena Gardner
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I’m over here thinking about so I hate burpees,and I I hate them, and I think I’ve watched you on the social studio 100 days, and was thinking like again, right? And I’m surprised to know you do it again, so sort of pause, take a little commercial break. But when we come back, I I need to know a little bit more. I’m still stuck on the burpee, on how you can do it every day, and that’s like a, I’m going to be a double entendre Queen today, how you can do it every day, like how you can one wake up every morning and do 69 burpees. But then also some practices you do every day. Yeah, that help you not be a burpee as an experience burpee.

Helena Gardner
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Stephanie K. Carter-Atkins
You know, it’s so strange because it it makes the day feel like it goes by so so fast, which is the problem? Because I’m like, oh, man, it is already time to do these burpees again the next day. Yep. Um, I think it’s interesting. So I try to do them in the morning, unless I look at the gym app and see that they’re programmed in a workout, because that is almost a saving grace. Sometimes, because I don’t have to do them in the morning, or maybe I can do some in the morning some at the gym, like it doesn’t, it doesn’t matter. You break it up as best you can. But I think for me, like literally, every morning I get up, I sit on my couch and get my life together, and I’m just like, You know what? We gotta do this one, because you’ve made a commitment to yourself to do 100 days. And you know it is like everything else, right? How do you how do you take down an elephant one bite at a time kind of thing? So I have to look at it as I know I can do a set of 10 burpees. Now, don’t ask me how much time is in between when I do one set versus another set, because when I and I do I should say I video. Myself as a form of accountability, and I posted on social media as a way of of me saying, Look, I did I did it today. If somebody wants to kind of check me and kind of make sure I did them all they could, I speed up really fast. So hopefully my math is right, but to me, it is the like, this is my way of being accountable to myself, of of finishing something, and consistency will always be the key to everything we have to do, right? So even in the mornings when I don’t feel like doing it, or when I say, You know what, it is, starting to hurt around burpee five, but I told myself I needed at least do a set of 10 or something else. Like I gotta keep pressing on. Like I can take a break when I’m done and get myself together and come back at it, but I gotta keep doing the thing that I said I was going to do and accomplish it. So some mornings are easier than others, to attack this and get up and do it, or I try to find as many creative ways as I can to do burpees, which you might be saying, how many different ways can you do a burpee? Well, I mean, there’s a lot. There’s a few different ways that you can do burpees, and I have tried to find them all, to find it less taxing on my body in some ways, and some mornings it’s just like this. It didn’t, it sucks. It doesn’t matter how you do it. It just, it just sucks, period. So, you know it’s but, but as I said to me, it is about the goal at hand, like I have to finish what I’ve started, if I can’t get to, like, tomorrow day 70 and say, Well, you know what? It’s just going to be 70 days this year, not 100 and and even in times and years where I have, might have had an injury or something I’ve been not, have been, not been able to do. There are different ways to scale it. So perhaps you are on a box and kicking your feet back, but you’re not going all the way down to the ground or something like you can scale it. That is one, that is the beauty of CrossFit. But two, that is how life is, right? When obstacles comes or things coming our way, how can we continue to get to where we need to go. I mean, maybe we gotta take a few different paths to get to that purpose, to get there, but we can still keep moving forward. And to me, like we can have plenty of excuses. They don’t really count, they don’t matter. So how can we continue to move forward and do the thing we need to do? And let people know, you know what? This today’s video is going to look different. I decided to do burpees this way, and know that this is my own challenge. So noone can say, Well, you didn’t do it, right? Stephanie, well, you know what? Like, unless you’re alongside with me in this thing, like I absolutely going to do the way that do it, the way I need to do it, that’s just how it works. So, so do you do like a modified person? You can, you most certainly can’t like, I mean, there, there is a way. There is a way to modify anything, I promise you. So you just gotta figure out whatever it is that ails you that you cannot do, like whatever part of that movement. You just figure out what that looks like. So, yeah, oh, Barbie, yeah, the entire thing, yeah. I always to me. I mean, even if you, even if you don’t jump back, even if you step back and step up once again, it is, it is just reminding your body and and truly, it’s like the brace of yourself when you’re falling down. So when we, as we age, right? It is being able to try to catch ourselves when things happen. But also say, You know what, I can’t just jump back on my feet, but I can step up and stand up. And then, of course, you have to have the clap, because, yeah, you did it. You got yourself over my head. That’s important to celebrate yourself. So yeah.

Helena Gardner
I mean, essentially, and also, yeah, reach above my head afterwards. I’m just, I don’t know.

Neil E. Golemo
I mean, after 40, essentially. Isn’t that what running is just like tipping yourself over and then just keeping your feet moving back.

Stephanie K. Carter-Atkins
You know, that’s it. That’s it. We don’t have to be perfect. We just gotta make sure we keep these bodies moving for as long as we can, in the upright position. Or, you know, when you fall, we can get up. That’s it. Yes.

Helena Gardner
But actually, don’t think I’ve ever heard of burpee described that way as, like, you know, you gotta get up. So, yeah, yeah. I never just Yes. I’m gonna think about it differently. Yeah, think about it.

Stephanie K. Carter-Atkins
Maybe get to it. Yeah, right. I get it, but honestly, and not that, not that I’m selling the CrossFit thing, but it to me, I appreciate anything that will teach you functional movements, right? So when we teach people how to squat properly, or teach people how to do, like, lift properly, like, we don’t think about those things when we’re younger, because our knees are great and our back ain’t hurting, you know? But as we age, like the things we have to do are just like we have to focus on them differently. And to me, this is a way to one continue to think about my health journey and all the other things. Because, as I said, it is truly on the forefront of my mind. And even when the 100 Days is up, I always have people ask me, So now, what like are you going to do another 100 days? No, I have found ways to have some smaller kind of things that I do during the months, or some other type of challenge that I do to myself to kind of keep things going. But typically I will. I will not do another full 100 days of burpees. I may do a 30 day here or something else, but I tell you what it is the last last month or so is it’s a struggle to get up and do these things. So, yeah,

Neil E. Golemo
yeah, and you record them, I do that’s impressive. Like, I think I would just like boomerang that. Yeah, I’m very smart guys. This is obvious.

Helena Gardner
And then I would like record in a similar workout outfit. So. I could just like, there’s a different day. You said, 2017 Yep. And when you you got your your care, Mm, hmm. Let yourself carry. Can you talk to us a little bit about what keeps you consistent?

Stephanie K. Carter-Atkins
Yeah, I think, you know, I think for me, in probably over the last year or two, gosh, I have just, I feel like I’ve been seeing enough of just black women, and obviously this affects all races and sexes and all those things, but just a lot of black women having struggles with mental health and other concerns and things, and just not taking care of ourselves, or just, once again, we work so much, and just the negative effects that sometimes that has on us as folks in this field. Like to me, I was like, I just, I just don’t want this work to take me out. Like, I just don’t, and I have been in a space in which I could see that I was on that road and on that path to do so. And I was like, I just can’t do it. So to me, the consistency is trying to remind myself that my health is more important than this job and everything else. And while I love my job, like I love my health and myself and my family much more, so I have to do these things that will continue to take care of me and will keep this heart beating and more will remind me true that, like, there’s more to this world than the work that we’re doing, right? Like, to me, I think that is, is a piece of the consistency that is there. I also do my very best just just where I live and the proximity to my office, I I walk to work a good bit of time. So it’s, it’s about a mile or so if I kind of stretch it out, which is not bad at all. But to me, it walking outside provides me with a lot of perspective too, right? I remind myself I’m just a small, small, small, small part of this world, these big trees and everything else that around me, like we are all in this thing, and it’s just perspective for me. But again, like, I gotta take some deep breaths. I gotta remind myself that I once again, like, I just can’t let this job take me out. And I hate seeing other women in the field that just get burnt out so quick, or the job just kind of sucks you in and spits you out. Like, I just can’t I just don’t want that. And as I said, I saw myself going down that road. So to me, it is, it is a reminder of all of these things. Like, I don’t want to be a bad supervisor. I also I don’t want to make people’s lives miserable. I don’t want my job to make my life miserable. Like, all these things are kind of taken into the fact that I think about, and think about the how I show up and how I take care of myself in the midst of this work. And we gotta do, we gotta do truly.

Neil E. Golemo
And there’s not, there’s not the walls between those like, Oh no, those things feeds into the other. I mean, when you’re healthy, you can do more, yeah, more fun. It’s easier.

Helena Gardner
Yeah, makes perfect. And I’m like, I’m just, I’m reflecting on, like, how often, how often it’s like, easier to go ahead and take that nap. I would put it that way. Mm, hmm, right. It’s and sometimes you just are like, yeah, that was a day and and putting whatever, so anything, yeah, to tomorrow, yeah, um, just putting it to tomorrow. Like it’s always fun, yeah?

Stephanie K. Carter-Atkins
And it’s hard to do, right? Like, it’s just, once again, it’s hard in this field, especially for folks who’ve been in it for a while, because that is just how we’ve been programmed, like, we just got to do the job, like, and it’s not like the job is ever going to finish, but we work, and we work as if it will, like we’re going to do it all in that one day. And it’s like, man, no. Like, I appreciate having younger staff, because they remind me. Like, sometimes it’s like, after five o’clock, like, one we have someone on duty who can respond to those things. And also, I don’t check my email. And I tell you, the first time I heard that, I was like, What do you mean? You don’t check your email after five? Like, What? What? Like it was, it was shock to my system. But I was like, I get it, like, one, what’s your email about? Five o’clock? It’s not an emergency or anything else. Like, it really can be okay and wait until tomorrow. And I’ve had to learn that, like, I’ve had to unlearn a lot of really bad habits that I grew up on and, gosh, it’s just it’s a lot

Helena Gardner
Reflecting and thinking that I got more learning to do here today. Yeah, I’m probably still not going to do a birthday who I am, but there’s other ways to get moving. And I’m not even doing a modified birthday. I just want to be got to real reflective. But I do enjoy watching you do burpees I do and Neil, I watch you do burpees too, if you put that on a loop, ooh.

Neil E. Golemo
Except to do the one though that’s That’s it.

Helena Gardner
Well, Stephanie, I certainly appreciate you sharing with us today and what I mean I’m really sitting with so I’m just going to be honest. I’m just having a moment where I’m like, I don’t have a plan to do anything. Me, like, right now? Mm hmm. I don’t have a plan for what’s next after work, but I was telling someone last week. But if I can show up for that thing, for work, I can show up for this thing. Mm hmm, at the same time, it just conflicts with work, but apparently I’m available. I just, you know, like, if I was available for that, I’m available for this. And just thinking about, you know, how often we do sacrifice so, yeah, and, and, to your point, Neil, at 40 plus, I just act like I can’t feel it. I just act like, when I get up from this chair, that I can’t feel it, but I hear you. I deeply hear how often we choose work over self. And I just, I love hearing that you have this practice that you do to commit 100 days because, you know, because harder, hard, no, but I gotta find something. Yeah, thinking Neil, well,

Neil E. Golemo
I think that, you know, kind of going back to the beginning. The thing that really spoke to me was, you know, working until you had to pick up your kid or else they’d be left on the curb, right? You didn’t say that part my mind did, because I was that kid once upon a time, and, you know, I remember my kids really, really, kind of forced me to refocus things like I had. I never left before 530 ever. I didn’t, I didn’t have the option anymore, and just kind of going from there. And then, you know how you have to build these things in, like you have to make it part of you, yeah? And I don’t know, I just love, I just love that you’re, you’re doing this thing for yourself and selfish, but it’s not because you can show it better for other people when you’re showing up for yourself. Yeah.

Helena Gardner
And it’s not taught. And I appreciate you saying that, like, means kind of like, like, black supervision, like, some things are just not taught. They’re assumed we can do and if we’re not on purpose, we’re probably not doing it, yeah, like, just going to be real honest, I’m probably not really doing it if I’m not on purpose and intentional. Yeah, yeah. So I know you probably wasn’t like, let’s make Helena feel bad today. But it’s not a feel bad thing at all. Stephanie, it’s not,

Stephanie K. Carter-Atkins
you know, it’s provided some time for self reflection, which, that’s what we need to do. Yeah,

Helena Gardner
and I know you said you were going through and you’re like, let me see if I can do this thing. And that’s what this this time is. That’s what these episodes are for, for us to pause and reflect and do things that are the real parts of our life, the real parts of the work and the things that sometimes make it all make sense for folks to find themselves in another person. So with that, I’m going to send a shout out to thank you today for taking the time to share with us. I feel like you may be off the hook for doing your burpees today, but we know you’re going to do them if you haven’t done them yet. So thank you. And I also want to back up and and share thank you. A final thank you to our sponsor again. Huron this has been, here’s the story. This is part of the Student Affairs NOW, family, we’re so glad you joined us to laugh, to cry, learn, sometimes commiserate and always celebrate being a part of Student Affairs experience. If you have a story, and we all have a story, we all have a story, please consider sharing with us by leaving a two minute pitch via voice file at Student Affairs now.com/ here’s the story. Every story is welcome, every earnest perspective is worthy. And if you don’t feel like sharing your story, you can find ours. You can find others. You can find Stephanie at studentaffairsnow.com on YouTube and anywhere you listen to podcast. This episode has been edited by Nat Ambrosey. Thank you for making us look so good, and I’m going to send a closing shout out to my co host, Neil.

Neil E. Golemo
My name is Neil Golemo, and trust me, everybody, I’m the lucky one today.

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